
We've Fallen Down the Vtuber Rabbit Hole | Trash Taste #18


[01:51 - 02:00]Introduction to Vtubers and the recent explosion of popularity


[02:00 - 02:06]Discussion on the HoloLive English debut and the overwhelming presence of Vtubers on social media


[03:26 - 03:32]Personal experiences and initial skepticism towards Vtubers


[06:03 - 06:18]Explanation of Vtubers as real people using anime avatars to create content, with a focus on live streaming


[06:18 - 06:26]Mention of Kizuna Ai as a pioneer in the Vtuber scene


[06:18 - 06:26]Past interest in YouTube Vtubers, including Kizuna Ai and other popular creators


[06:41 - 06:47]Observations on the evolution of Vtuber content from scripted YouTube videos to more organic live streams


[06:41 - 06:47]Personal preference for live stream content over scripted videos


[00:00 - 07:15]Recent explosion in popularity of Vtubers, particularly with the debut of HoloLive English, with focus on live streaming content rather than scripted videos. Mention of Kizuna Ai as a pioneer in the Vtuber scene and personal preference for live stream content.


[07:15 - 07:23]The speaker discusses the entertainment value of Vtubers and the short length of their videos.


[07:24 - 07:39]They mention larger organizations, such as Hollow Life and Nijisanji, that stream for longer periods of time.


[07:47 - 07:53]The speaker explains that Hollow Life is an agency that represents multiple Vtubers.


[08:14 - 08:21]They compare it to the concept of branding in the YouTube community.


[08:29 - 08:36]The speaker mentions other agencies and how Vtubers fit into a gray area between real-life streamers and anime characters.


[09:27 - 09:34]They compare it to the entertainment value of wrestling.


[10:15 - 10:20]They express their addiction to Vtubers and their unique content.


[11:11 - 11:20]They mention that there is a Vtuber for everyone and finding one to enjoy is similar to finding a romantic partner.


[11:33 - 11:39]The speaker discusses the human side of Vtubers and the charm in seeing them break character.


[11:33 - 11:39]The speaker expresses feeling alienated by the intense enthusiasm of some Vtuber fans.


[11:58 - 12:06]The speaker shares their personal enjoyment of watching a Vtuber named "Iron Mouse."


[12:23 - 12:40]They mention receiving an email about teaching English-speaking fans about Vtuber etiquette.


[13:24 - 13:42]The speaker discusses their own preference for watching clips rather than full streams.


[07:15 - 13:42]The speaker discusses the entertainment value and unique content of Vtubers, as well as the presence of larger organizations and agencies representing multiple Vtubers. They compare Vtubers to both branding and wrestling, and discuss the charm of seeing the human side of the characters. The speaker also shares their personal enjoyment of Vtubers and their preference for watching clips rather than full streams. They mention receiving an email about Vtuber etiquette and feeling alienated by the intense enthusiasm of some fans. The speaker concludes by discussing their gradual understanding of the inside jokes and interactions within the Vtuber community.


[14:16 - 14:28]The speaker discusses their experience with VTubers and their popularity on various streaming platforms.


[14:29 - 14:35]They mention the overwhelming amount of content available and the difficulty in keeping up with it.


[14:29 - 14:35]The speaker acknowledges that VTubers have a unique quality that sets them apart from other streamers.


[15:15 - 15:24]They mention the recent mainstream attention and adoption of VTubers by popular figures such as Pokemon and LilyPichu.


[16:57 - 17:10]The speaker questions the appeal of VTubers and their lack of connection with the real person behind the avatar.


[18:31 - 18:41]They note that some VTubers have a scripted and controlled persona, while others have more flexibility in showing their true selves.


[18:31 - 18:41]They compare VTubers to other streamers, such as Tyler1, who also have a scripted persona but are not as appealing as VTubers.


[18:31 - 18:41]VTubers exist in a space between being a character and being a human.


[19:09 - 19:16]The speaker gives an example of a VTuber slipping up and revealing their true age, blurring the line between character and human.


[13:42 - 20:08]VTubers have a unique entertaining quality that sets them apart from other streamers.


[22:04 - 22:10]Discussion about a YouTube creator who maintains a fake persona while streaming


[22:21 - 22:26]The speaker finds it impressive and believes the creator is a psychopath


[24:24 - 24:29]The speaker accidentally leaves their stream on and people notify them


[24:29 - 24:38]They discuss the tiring nature of streaming and how some creators can do it for long periods of time


[24:29 - 24:38]The speaker expresses curiosity about the business side of virtual YouTubers and their contracts


[24:29 - 24:38]They mention their own experience with a Japanese YouTube agency offering a low percentage deal


[24:50 - 24:58]They speculate about the potential darker side of the idol industry and wonder about the restrictions and rules for the virtual YouTubers


[26:03 - 26:13]They joke about what could have happened if the speaker had done something embarrassing on stream


[26:49 - 26:56]The discussion concludes with a sponsored segment for Skillshare and a specific class one of the speakers took


[20:08 - 27:16]Discussion about a fake persona used by a YouTube creator, the tiring nature of streaming, curiosity about the business side of virtual YouTubers and the potential darker side of the idol industry, and a sponsored segment for Skillshare.


[27:16 - 27:21] Joey mentions being sponsored by Skillshare for Photoshop training


[27:36 - 27:42]He recommends Skillshare for improving content creation and learning software like Audition


[27:43 - 27:51]Skillshare is affordable and offers a free trial for premium membership


[28:16 - 28:26]Joey talks about the power dynamics in signing with Hololive as a VTuber and the potential for a "shitty deal"


[30:01 - 30:10]He mentions the talent and success of Hololive members, particularly Asakoko and her earnings


[31:55 - 32:11]Joey expresses his love for Hololive and its unique form of entertainment


[32:21 - 32:28]He discusses the mainstreaming of live streaming and the appeal of VTubers as a way to stand out


[33:44 - 33:56]Joey mentions his favorite VTubers, including Asakoko and Gura, and their cuteness and humor


[27:16 - 34:24]The last bullet point summarizes the text as a whole, mentioning Joey's experience with Skillshare and his love for Hololive and its members.


[34:24 - 34:32]Man expresses love for Nekomata Korone and her voice


[34:39 - 34:44]Preferences for tomboyish and solo/milky voices


[34:45 - 34:50]Discussion about understanding English and Japanese


[35:15 - 35:21]Man's love for voice fetishes and certain voice actors


[35:38 - 35:45]Top two Hololive streamers: Korone and Coco


[35:45 - 35:52]Comparison to watching YouTube and finding perfect combination of voice and personality


[37:16 - 37:23]Discussion about watching small streams and endearing qualities


[37:16 - 37:23]Preferences for certain streamers based on energy level and character


[38:27 - 38:33]Man's desire to do more event-style streams like Tyler1


[38:57 - 39:04]Discussion about VTubers and variety content


[39:04 - 39:11]Examples of unique and entertaining streams from certain VTubers


[40:41 - 40:48]Some VTubers are bad at video games but make it entertaining


[34:24 - 40:55]Man discusses his love for certain VTubers and their voices, his preferences for tomboyish and solo/milky voices, and his desire to do more event-style streams. He also talks about the endearing qualities of watching smaller streams and shares examples of unique and entertaining content from certain VTubers.


[41:26 - 41:32]The speaker talks about struggling with understanding VTubers and their appeal


[41:33 - 41:40]They express a desire to practice understanding and potentially become a fan


[42:34 - 42:39]The speaker discusses the importance of differing opinions for a fun podcast


[43:07 - 43:16]They mention their interest in waifu culture and their own personal preferences


[44:41 - 44:47]The concept of simping for anime characters is discussed


[44:41 - 44:47]The speaker questions whether people genuinely have strong emotions towards waifus or if it is an act


[46:46 - 46:53]They compare it to a conspiracy theory and mention people who get upset over others criticizing their favorite anime


[40:55 - 47:03]Overall, the speaker discusses their personal experiences and thoughts on VTubers and waifu culture.


[47:04 - 47:10] Discussion about a smear campaign against the speaker for criticizing a show called fairytale


[47:19 - 47:25]Debate about the varying degrees of opinions on fairytale being "shit"


[47:32 - 47:38]Mention of the speaker's title as "waifuologist"


[47:52 - 47:58]Questioning the extension of emotional attachment to waifus in anime and whether it is unhealthy


[47:58 - 48:08]Personal separation of love for fictional characters and real people


[48:08 - 48:17]Acknowledgment that some favorite waifus would be "fucking assholes" in real life


[51:15 - 51:24]Discussion of the cringiness of maid cafes and pretending to be anime characters in real life


[52:30 - 52:37]Comparison to British and Australian social norms and discomfort with fake interactions


[52:37 - 52:46]Mention of YouTube and livestreams being popular for their authenticity


[52:52 - 53:05]Criticism of Japanese idol culture and the pressure for idols to be perfect


[53:18 - 53:29]Unhealthy aspect of expecting real people to act like fictional characters


[53:47 - 53:52]Japanese meme about an idol fan believing that idols don't poop


[47:04 - 54:01]Discussion about the impact of waifu culture and the unhealthy expectations placed on real people to be perfect like fictional characters.


[54:01 - 54:07] Kim Jong-un is talked about not pooping, and is described as a perfect human being.


[54:46 - 54:58]VTubers have exploded in popularity and are compared to the big three in the VTuber community.


[56:13 - 56:19]There are several new anime figurines available on EJ Anime Store.


[58:31 - 58:39]The video is sponsored by EJ Anime Store, and they discuss and show some of the new figurines.


[59:53 - 1.00:00]The hosts express their respect for VTubers and their entertainment skills.


[1.00:14 - 1.00:20]The hosts express their excitement and opinions about VTubers and the potential for the English speaking community.


[1.00:14 - 1.00:20]They mention the possibility of official voice actors becoming VTubers.


[1.00:14 - 1.00:20]The English speaking community is on the cusp of something similar to the Japanese VTuber wave.


[1.00:20 - 1.00:34]VTubers have caused some anime fans to watch less anime.


[54:01 - 1.00:46]The hosts discuss Kim Jong-un's rumored lack of pooping, their opinions and excitement about VTubers and the potential for the English speaking community, and showcase new figurines available on EJ Anime Store. They also mention the possibility of official voice actors becoming VTubers and the impact of VTubers on anime fans.


[1.00:47 - 1.00:55] The speaker had many plans for the weekend, but they were ruined by the fact that it's going to holo and masturbate


[1.01:04 - 1.01:09]2020 has been a weak year for anime, possibly due to the world situation


[1.01:15 - 1.01:22]Some shows like Rent-a-Girlfriend have generated hype, but not to the same extent as in previous years


[1.01:22 - 1.01:28]There hasn't been a show that has excited everyone unanimously


[1.02:23 - 1.02:33]The speaker watched an entire show, "Dorohedoro" in one day


[1.02:45 - 1.02:50]It's been a while since the speaker watched the show, and they can't remember what happened


[1.03:21 - 1.03:30]The show has an interesting world and characters, but nothing really happens


[1.03:21 - 1.03:30]The speaker enjoyed the show, but is annoyed that not much happens in the story


[1.03:58 - 1.04:04]The speaker hopes for a second season, but there is no guarantee


[1.06:39 - 1.06:45]The speaker is frustrated with being an anime fan, as many shows end without closure or a satisfying climax


[1.06:39 - 1.06:45]The speaker is frustrated with the lack of closure in many anime shows.


[1.06:39 - 1.06:45]The anime community is excited about VTubers and Hololive, but the speaker wonders if the hype will level out.


[1.06:59 - 1.07:04]The speaker also mentions watching "B-stars" and feeling unsatisfied with the ending


[1.07:29 - 1.07:37]The speaker watched "Dorohedoro" a few months ago and cannot remember what happened.


[1.07:44 - 1.07:52]Not every story needs a neatly packaged ending, but the speaker believes it is necessary


[1.07:44 - 1.07:52]The Lord of the Rings movies are an example of a story with a messy structure, but still has some closure


[1.00:47 - 1.07:52]The speaker discusses the lack of closure and unsatisfying endings in many anime shows, using "Dorohedoro" and "B-stars" as examples. They also mention the hype around VTubers and Hololive and express frustration with being an anime fan.


[1.07:52 - 1.07:57]The speaker discusses their confusion with the ending of the second Lord of the Rings film.


[1.07:58 - 1.08:04]They mention a climactic battle at the end of 2000, but clarify that it was not the end of the film.


[1.08:16 - 1.08:24]The speaker expresses disappointment with the lack of a big climactic battle in the film Donut Hitler.


[1.08:35 - 1.08:41]They compare Megalabox to Ping Pong in a boxing setting and express mixed feelings about the story.


[1.09:18 - 1.09:28]The speaker mentions Dorahedora and their disappointment with its potential.


[1.11:10 - 1.11:18]They discuss being smug about knowing what will happen in a series.


[1.12:20 - 1.12:27]The speaker mentions watching Demon Slayer due to hype on Twitter.


[1.12:42 - 1.12:50]They admit to being unimpressed with the series until episode 19.


[1.12:42 - 1.12:50]They express disappointment with the rest of the series in comparison to episode 19.


[1.12:51 - 1.12:58]The speaker compares waiting for episode 19 to saving a nut while watching porn.


[1.07:52 - 1.14:09]Overall, the speaker discusses their mixed feelings and disappointments with various anime series.


[1.16:54 - 1.17:00] The speaker is discussing a popular anime called Demon Slayer and their experience watching it.


[1.17:19 - 1.17:24]They mention a specific event in the show called the "blowjob event" which they have not yet reached.


[1.17:48 - 1.17:55]The speaker admits that the hype has affected their expectations for episode 19.


[1.17:48 - 1.17:55]The speaker expresses their preference for Demon Slayer over My Hero Academia.


[1.18:02 - 1.18:10]The hype surrounding the event has influenced their decision to delay watching the show.


[1.18:16 - 1.18:21]They discuss their disappointment with the most recent season of My Hero Academia and their favorite fight scene.


[1.18:32 - 1.18:39]They compare the characters in Demon Slayer to characters from other popular anime.


[1.19:33 - 1.19:38]The speaker also mentions their frustration with a particular villain's fighting style.


[1.20:04 - 1.20:12]They joke about the villain's questionable power choices.


[1.20:21 - 1.20:27]The speaker wraps up their thoughts on Demon Slayer and My Hero Academia with a comparison to scrolling through Netflix and choosing a show.


[1.14:09 - 1.20:27]Overall, the speaker enjoys Demon Slayer and prefers it over My Hero Academia.


[1.20:27 - 1.20:33]Person re-watches same thing multiple times


[1.20:33 - 1.20:40]Person wanted All Might to win fight and die


[1.20:33 - 1.20:40]Person wanted All Might to die for legendary impact


[1.21:49 - 1.21:57]Criticism of show's direction and manga readers' influence


[1.22:34 - 1.22:39]Losing interest in show as seasons progress


[1.22:46 - 1.22:52]Comparison to Black Clover and preference for its fun over My Hero Academia's attempt at greatness


[1.24:31 - 1.24:36]Discussion on potential length of My Hero Academia's run and fans' dedication to long-running shows


[1.25:07 - 1.25:15]Comparison to other long-running shows and attachment to characters' growth


[1.20:27 - 1.26:53]Mention of Avatar The Last Airbender and its impact on fans


[1.26:53 - 1.26:58] The speaker discusses their initial thoughts on the show "Korra" and how they eventually grew to love it.


[1.27:04 - 1.27:10]They mention that they never grew up watching "Avatar: The Last Airbender" but recently watched it and loved it, while still thinking "Korra" was a great show.


[1.27:47 - 1.27:54]They compare the feeling of watching "Korra" to the feeling of trading Yu-Gi-Oh cards with friends.


[1.32:17 - 1.32:26]The speaker then discusses their recent viewing of "ReZero" season two, mentioning that it has exceeded their expectations and is hitting its potential.


[1.33:10 - 1.33:18]They mention the deconstruction of the main character's mindset in season two and how it makes for a more interesting and relatable character.


[1.33:34 - 1.33:42]The speaker briefly discusses the use of resets in the show and how it adds to the overall plot and mystery.


[1.26:53 - 1.33:55]The speaker discusses their love for "Korra" and how it compares to their recent viewing of "ReZero" season two, mentioning the deconstruction of the main character's mindset and the use of resets in the show.


[1.33:56 - 1.34:01]The speaker is really into something and hyped for it.


[1.38:25 - 1.38:32]The speaker discusses their loyalty to a character called Rem and their conflict with a friend who prefers a different character.


[1.38:25 - 1.38:32]They mention Rem's loyalty and confessing her love despite knowing she will not be chosen.


[1.39:43 - 1.39:51]They have no current complaints except for the absence of a character.


[1.39:43 - 1.39:51]The speaker talks about how they like their anime waifus because they are not real.


[1.40:22 - 1.40:30]They mention a theory about being happy with someone who killed them in a past life.


[1.40:37 - 1.40:42]The speaker mentions a meme about a character having four penis heads.


[1.33:56 - 1.40:42]The speaker is hyped about a show and discusses their loyalty to a character called Rem, while also mentioning a meme about a character having four penis heads. They also talk about their preference for anime waifus over real relationships and a theory about being happy with someone who killed them in a past life.


[1.41:14 - 1.41:20] The speaker and another person are discussing their preferences for sexual kinks.


[1.42:33 - 1.42:41]They mention a specific anime character and discuss their preferences for that character.


[1.43:27 - 1.43:33]They recommend various anime shows to each other, discussing dub versions and remakes.


[1.45:49 - 1.45:54]The speaker references a previous experience with the other person and makes a joke about it.


[1.45:55 - 1.46:00]They briefly mention a trip they took together and watching an anime episode on TV.


[1.40:42 - 1.46:45]In summary, the two individuals discuss their preferences for sexual kinks, recommend anime shows to each other, and joke about a previous experience together.


[1.46:46 - 1.46:51]Joey and someone else are discussing a show or movie


[1.46:56 - 1.47:01]The show/movie involves a rollercoaster, water, and a camera


[1.47:02 - 1.47:07]They were drinking while discussing it


[1.47:07 - 1.47:16]They also talk about a show called Detective Conan


[1.47:07 - 1.47:16]The first episode of Detective Conan sticks in his mind


[1.47:34 - 1.47:41]He surprised himself with how much he remembered about the first episode


[1.47:58 - 1.48:07]They talk about a manga called Records of Ragnarok


[1.49:20 - 1.49:26]The manga is about a tournament between gods and famous humans


[1.49:31 - 1.49:36]The manga is described as a combination of Fate and Baki


[1.50:02 - 1.50:09]They mention a specific fight between Adam and Zeus


[1.51:17 - 1.51:22]They discuss the art and pacing of the manga


[1.51:55 - 1.52:08]They also mention the possibility of an anime adaptation


[1.52:49 - 1.52:59]They briefly mention another manga, Eyeshield 21


[1.53:01 - 1.53:12]The manga is about American football and has a psychopathic character


[1.53:13 - 1.53:18]Joey initially thought the character was the villain


[1.46:46 - 1.53:18]The conversation ends here.


[1.53:18 - 1.53:25] Protagonist looks like the villain, but is amazing


[1.53:48 - 1.53:55]Visual metaphors are unmatched in other sports manga


[1.53:55 - 1.54:02]Manga is super endearing and unpredictable


[1.53:55 - 1.54:02]Art by Murata Yusuke, who also did One Punch Man


[1.54:19 - 1.54:25]Manga got reader into American football


[1.55:40 - 1.55:47]Uncomfortable and poorly aged arc involving a black player with a "superpower"


[1.56:51 - 1.56:58]Aside from that, an amazing manga


[1.58:15 - 1.58:21]Thank you to patrons for supporting the podcast


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[1.58:34 - 1.58:40]Vtuber hall mentioned


[1.58:42 - 1.58:49]Protagonist discovers anime girls on stream and reaches enlightenment


[1.53:18 - 1.58:55]Protagonist looks like a villain but is amazing, manga is endearing and unpredictable with stunning art by Murata Yusuke, unmatched use of visual metaphors in sports manga, uncomfortable and poorly aged arc with a black player's "superpower," overall an amazing manga. Thank you to patrons for support and check out the podcast's Patreon, Twitter, and subreddit for more content. Vtuber hall mentioned and protagonist reaches enlightenment through discovering anime girls on stream.