
We Hate Our Fans | Trash Taste #64


[00:10 - 00:20]Intro with host and guests


[01:03 - 01:10]Discussion of weather and British culture


[02:29 - 02:54]Conversation about responding to fan mail


[03:20 - 03:46]Mention of a YouTuber who responds to all fan mail


[06:37 - 06:43]Discussion on the unhealthy aspect of responding to all fan mail


[06:37 - 06:43]Personal experience with receiving physical fan mail


[06:37 - 06:43]Mention of YouTubers who interact too much with their community


[06:37 - 06:43]Personal experience with managing community interactions


[06:37 - 06:43]Intoxicating feeling of being popular through community interactions


[00:02 - 07:09]Discussion on responding to fan mail and the unhealthy aspect of interacting too much with the community as a YouTuber.


[07:14 - 07:21]The speaker talks about struggling to get people to attend events and feeling intoxicated by the attention from fans.


[07:46 - 08:05]They mention the differences between male and female audiences.


[09:05 - 09:15]The speaker reflects on a strange interaction with another YouTuber who made multiple videos of opening fan mail.


[10:09 - 10:19]The speaker mentions occasionally responding to emotional fan mail but not wanting to advertise it.


[10:37 - 10:47]They discuss the challenges of reacting to unexpected and emotional fan mail.


[10:47 - 10:57]They discuss the challenges of balancing private and public interactions with fans.


[10:47 - 10:57]They discuss the difference in their content revolving around fan interaction.


[10:57 - 11:15]They discuss the emotional toll of reading fan mail and feeling pressure to respond.


[11:33 - 12:04]The speaker recalls a particularly surprising and emotional fan mail experience.


[07:09 - 14:49]The speaker reflects on the pressure and challenges of being a YouTube personality.


[16:33 - 16:47] The speakers discuss the difficulties of managing fan interactions as a content creator


[16:56 - 17:06]They mention the emotional toll and time constraints of responding to fan letters and messages


[16:56 - 17:06]They highlight the difference between fans and friends, and the challenges of maintaining a parasocial relationship with fans


[16:56 - 17:06]The speakers mention the growth of their channels and how it has affected their ability to interact with fans


[16:56 - 17:06]They discuss the importance of setting boundaries and managing expectations with fans


[20:02 - 20:14]They also mention the role of conventions and social situations in interacting with fans


[21:08 - 21:16]Felix's reaction to being asked about Trash Taste is mentioned


[21:16 - 21:28]The speakers share personal experiences with meeting fans in person and navigating the parasocial relationship


[14:49 - 21:55]The speakers discuss the challenges of managing fan interactions as a content creator, including the emotional toll, time constraints, and the difference between fans and friends. They also mention the role of conventions and social situations in interacting with fans and share personal experiences with navigating the parasocial relationship. Felix's reaction to being asked about Trash Taste is also mentioned.


[21:55 - 22:03]Felix and the speaker feel like they know each other but don't really know each other


[22:32 - 22:45]They discuss the strange situation of fame and being "famous on the internet"


[22:32 - 22:45]Paparazzi are brought up and are described as "sociopaths"


[23:01 - 23:19]The speaker is glad that their audience is more aware of social boundaries because of places like trash shades


[23:37 - 23:50]Celebrities in the past were put on a pedestal and had their private lives exposed without consequence


[24:10 - 24:17]Toby Maguire's encounter with paparazzi is described as an example of their invasive behavior


[27:14 - 27:26]The speaker and Felix discuss the downsides of interacting with fans and moderating a discord server


[27:14 - 27:26]The speaker's moderators also sometimes have conflicts with each other


[27:57 - 28:13]The speaker brings up their experience with a sponsored VPN service


[28:50 - 28:57]They ask the other speakers if they still read YouTube comments and discuss how the comments change as the video gains popularity


[29:14 - 29:24]The speaker's "rent a boyfriend" video is mentioned as an example of a video with strange and non-English comments


[29:24 - 29:37]The video was expected to do well due to its clickbait title and thumbnail


[21:55 - 29:37]Felix and the speaker discuss the strange situation of fame and being "famous on the internet" and the invasive behavior of paparazzi. They also discuss the downsides of interacting with fans and moderating a discord server. The speaker mentions their experience with a sponsored VPN service and asks about the other speakers' thoughts on reading YouTube comments. They also mention their "rent a boyfriend" video and how the comments changed as it gained popularity.


[29:37 - 29:42] The speaker talks about a video he rented that did well due to its thumbnail and title.


[29:52 - 30:00]He receives strange comments on the video, including questioning his sexuality and saying he smells nice.


[31:43 - 31:49]The speaker checks his video and comment views on day one and looks for the most liked comments.


[32:09 - 32:27]He discusses how his perspective on checking comments has changed over the years of doing YouTube.


[32:29 - 32:37]The speaker and his friends discuss how they see YouTube as a job.


[33:04 - 33:11]They mention a passion project that has taken a long time to complete.


[34:48 - 35:06]They discuss how sometimes their opinions on popular franchises can upset certain fan communities.


[34:48 - 35:06]The speaker mentions other communities, such as shounen, that can be more defensive.


[35:46 - 35:54]The speaker gives an example of a video he made about a BL community that was well received.


[36:09 - 36:14]They talk about how BL fans are supportive of anyone showing appreciation for their community.


[36:20 - 36:28]The speaker discusses how he has seen certain communities get offended and mentions a specific example.


[36:28 - 36:35]They briefly mention a video that was made by another person, but do not go into detail.


[29:37 - 36:35]The speaker mentions how his perspective has changed since he started doing YouTube.


[36:35 - 36:40]People were being harsh towards a video about fate made by "god"


[37:02 - 37:09]Some smaller youtubers also made videos on the topic, but they were focused on entertainment rather than the details


[37:09 - 37:16]The "god" video was seen as more entertaining, rather than informative


[37:49 - 37:54]The podcast hosts are defending their friend and emphasizing the importance of entertainment in videos about fate


[38:27 - 38:33]People are quick to take shots at popular youtubers


[41:34 - 41:49]People often take quotes out of context and spread them on social media


[42:08 - 42:27]There is a difference between respecting an opinion and basing one's life around it


[42:27 - 42:33]The hosts have had to deal with criticism and backlash for their opinions on anime


[43:20 - 43:31]The hosts have dealt with this on their own channels


[43:47 - 44:16]As time goes on, more people will dislike a creator, leading to more criticism and backlash


[36:35 - 44:16]People were harsh towards a video about fate made by "god," and smaller youtubers also made videos but were focused on entertainment rather than details. The hosts defend their friend and emphasize the importance of entertainment in videos about fate. They have also dealt with criticism for their opinions on anime and have seen the effects of people taking quotes out of context. This is a common issue for popular creators as more people will dislike them over time, leading to more criticism and backlash.


[44:16 - 44:35]Negative opinions of content creators can build up over time on YouTube as their audience grows.


[44:41 - 44:55]Haters and negative comments can stick with a content creator for their entire career.


[44:41 - 44:55]Many big YouTubers have experienced negativity building up over time.


[44:41 - 44:55]Felix (PewDiePie) deals with negativity in a mature way.


[45:19 - 45:29]Controversial opinions can result in controversial comments and more views.


[45:58 - 46:08]Negative opinions can be a reflection of the content being made.


[45:58 - 46:08]The audience eventually became bored of this trend.


[48:47 - 48:55]Being negative was once considered cool on YouTube.


[49:44 - 50:05]There are limits to how much one can say and do with this type of content.


[50:11 - 50:34]The BL and manga communities are generally more welcoming and supportive.


[50:58 - 51:06]These niche communities are passionate about their interests.


[51:06 - 51:13]Some fans dislike those who exploit LGBTQ themes for attention.


[51:34 - 51:45]Being a fan of something can have different levels.


[44:16 - 51:45]Negative opinions can accumulate over time for YouTubers, but some, like Felix, handle it in a mature way. Controversial opinions can attract more views, but there are limits to this type of content. Some fandoms, like BL and manga, are more welcoming and supportive, but may dislike those who exploit LGBTQ themes for attention. Being a fan can have different levels.


[51:45 - 51:52]Martial arts comparison to being a Fave fan


[51:59 - 52:05]Toxicity within the Fave fan community


[52:13 - 52:25]The dichotomy between hardcore and welcoming Fave fans


[54:06 - 54:24]Difficulty of getting into Fate franchise


[54:06 - 54:24]Complication of the Fate franchise for the average person


[56:06 - 56:20]Jojo fans being hyped for anyone giving it a chance


[57:15 - 57:34]Some series should not be mainstream due to their weirdness


[58:30 - 58:46]Jojo being ahead of its time with meme culture


[58:51 - 58:57]Jojo fans having a connection with each other


[59:18 - 59:29]Boring parts of Jojo that some people struggle to get through


[51:45 - 59:29]The audio discusses the martial arts comparison to being a Fave fan, the toxicity within the Fave fan community, the dichotomy between hardcore and welcoming Fave fans, the difficulty of getting into the Fate franchise, the complication of the Fate franchise for the average person, Jojo fans being hyped for anyone giving it a chance, the belief that some series should not be mainstream due to their weirdness, the connection between Jojo fans, Jojo being ahead of its time with meme culture, and the struggle with boring parts of Jojo.


[59:38 - 59:47]Part three of the show is longer and not as good as previous parts


[59:47 - 59:55]Some fights in part three are not entertaining


[59:55 - 1.00:02]Part three needed to be twice as long, ideas were less interesting


[1.02:29 - 1.02:40]Gatekeeping is a topic of discussion among fans


[1.02:29 - 1.02:40]Gatekeeping may have been a way to feel special or unique in the past


[1.06:00 - 1.06:10]It is great that more people are getting into anime and gaming


[1.06:10 - 1.06:16]Gatekeeping is pointless and selfish


[1.06:10 - 1.06:16]As anime and gaming have become more popular, gatekeeping has become less relevant


[1.06:10 - 1.06:16]Gatekeeping can hinder the growth and advancement of a medium


[1.06:39 - 1.06:49]It is important to recognize that a show or medium does not belong to any one person


[1.06:49 - 1.07:03]It is ignorant to believe one has ownership over a show or medium


[1.06:49 - 1.07:03]As youtubers, we don't care who was first, we want more people to enjoy the medium


[59:29 - 1.07:03]The conversation covers the topic of gatekeeping in the anime and gaming communities, discussing how it may have been a way to feel special or unique in the past but is now seen as pointless and selfish. It is important to recognize that a show or medium does not belong to any one person, and it is great that more people are getting into anime and gaming. As youtubers, the speakers don't care who was first, they want more people to enjoy the medium.


[1.07:03 - 1.07:16]Speaker expresses appreciation for viewers but emphasizes that they are not more important than new viewers


[1.07:16 - 1.07:28]They discuss the idea of ownership over content and how viewers find content through algorithms


[1.07:53 - 1.08:00]A sponsor break is taken for mac weldon daily wear system


[1.11:56 - 1.12:07]The speaker reflects on their past attitude of gatekeeping and how they have grown and changed as a person


[1.12:07 - 1.12:14]The speaker returns to discussing gatekeeping and how it is pointless and childish


[1.13:14 - 1.13:23]They discuss getting fake angry for entertainment purposes and how it differs from genuine anger


[1.14:23 - 1.14:29]The discussion is interrupted by technical issues with the cameras


[1.14:36 - 1.14:53]They reflect on a time when they watched someone's content, didn't enjoy it, but came back years later and enjoyed it


[1.07:03 - 1.14:53]Speaker discusses appreciation for viewers, ownership over content, a sponsor break, past attitude of gatekeeping, fake anger for entertainment, technical issues, and a personal experience with revisiting content they initially didn't enjoy. They ultimately conclude that gatekeeping is pointless and childish.


[1.15:00 - 1.15:06] Youtubers' content changes as they grow older and their audience evolves


[1.15:14 - 1.15:37]Some people grow out of certain channels, but others may come back to them and appreciate them more


[1.16:02 - 1.16:11]Example of Felix (PewDiePie) and how his content evolved over time


[1.17:32 - 1.17:44]The importance of being yourself and making content that interests you


[1.19:56 - 1.20:10]The desire to box someone for the money, even if not interested in the sport


[1.20:22 - 1.20:35]Logan Paul's editor and how his content has improved and changed


[1.20:22 - 1.20:35]The stigma surrounding Logan Paul and his 180 in content


[1.21:34 - 1.21:46]The struggle of maintaining an upload schedule as a creator


[1.22:02 - 1.22:14]Success on other platforms can lead to changes in upload schedule for the main channel


[1.22:14 - 1.22:24]The attachment and potential fear of a channel dying, even if successful in other areas


[1.14:53 - 1.22:24]Overall, content and creators evolve and it's important to stay true to oneself and make content that interests the creator.


[1.26:01 - 1.26:09] Trash taste now has "trash taste"


[1.26:57 - 1.27:08]The speaker does not like to fail and wants to win in every aspect of their life


[1.28:08 - 1.28:21]The speaker does not buy the excuse of the algorithm ruining a channel and believes it is the responsibility of the creator to adapt and evolve their content


[1.28:21 - 1.28:27]If a channel dies due to the creator's own volition, they can still be considered successful


[1.28:28 - 1.28:35]If a channel's views decline, it may be a sign that something has gone wrong and the creator should reassess their content and adapt


[1.28:35 - 1.28:44]Success on Youtube is subjective and can depend on various factors such as why the channel died and the success on other platforms


[1.28:50 - 1.29:07]YouTube is constantly changing and creators should not build a foundation on quicksand, but rather constantly evolve and adapt their content


[1.29:16 - 1.29:22]The definition of a successful YouTuber varies for each individual, for some it may be the money they make while for others it may be the passion and outlet to talk with friends


[1.29:22 - 1.29:31]It is frustrating to see YouTubers blame YouTube for their declining views and monetization issues instead of taking responsibility for their own content


[1.22:24 - 1.29:31]In summary, success on YouTube is subjective and can depend on various factors, but it is important for creators to constantly adapt and evolve their content in order to stay relevant and successful.


[1.29:31 - 1.29:42]Yolks cast channel started dying due to lack of change in content over 2-3 years


[1.29:42 - 1.29:51]Many unsuccessful channels have an obvious factor at play that went wrong


[1.30:19 - 1.30:26]Ryan Heger stopped uploading and became a successful Twitch streamer


[1.31:27 - 1.31:33]Michael Reeves understood what he needed to do to keep evolving and had a breakout success


[1.32:02 - 1.32:13]The fear of hitting peak success and not knowing how to continue


[1.33:00 - 1.33:06]Many YouTubers have a pattern of one or two successful videos followed by a significant decrease in views


[1.35:02 - 1.35:18]Mr. Beast's success is due to his understanding of virality and his willingness to spend time and money on ridiculous content


[1.35:02 - 1.35:18]Mr. Beast's success is unmatched by other content creators due to his experience and natural genius


[1.35:28 - 1.35:36]Many YouTubers have been inspired by Mr. Beast's content and have attempted to replicate it


[1.35:53 - 1.36:33]Casey Neistat revolutionized vlogging with his short film-style vlogs


[1.35:53 - 1.36:33]Successful YouTube channels often have a cushion to make mistakes and learn from them


[1.35:53 - 1.36:33]The fear of hitting peak success and not knowing how to continue is a common concern among YouTubers


[1.36:54 - 1.37:00]His intense daily schedule and multiple projects led to his burnout and eventual quitting


[1.36:54 - 1.37:00]The film Limitless is referenced as an example of extreme productivity and burnout in the YouTube world


[1.29:31 - 1.37:00]Many successful YouTube channels have experienced a decline in views due to a lack of change in content. Channels that understand what they need to do to evolve and continue to create engaging content, such as Mr. Beast, have unprecedented success. However, attempting to replicate this success can lead to burnout and the fear of hitting peak success and not knowing how to continue. Despite this, many content creators continue to be inspired by successful channels and strive to create unique and engaging content.


[1.37:00 - 1.37:17] Casey Neistat is an example of someone who discovered the "limitless drug" in real life.


[1.37:23 - 1.37:31]He was able to accomplish a lot and set high standards for himself.


[1.37:23 - 1.37:31]The speaker has a lot of respect for him but also feels exhausted thinking about all the work he did.


[1.37:23 - 1.37:31]The speaker admires Casey's energy and dedication.


[1.37:43 - 1.37:49]The speaker also feels like they are busy but it's nothing compared to what Casey did at his peak.


[1.37:54 - 1.38:03]The speaker asks how long it took Casey to realize that making videos on YouTube can be tiring.


[1.38:03 - 1.38:15]YouTube making videos was once easy and a hobby, but then becomes more serious and a job.


[1.38:03 - 1.38:15]The speaker and other YouTubers go through a phase where they become perfectionists about their videos.


[1.38:34 - 1.38:48]The honeymoon period ends and they become more self-reflective about their content.


[1.39:14 - 1.39:23]Not every YouTuber can say that their living and artistic integrity is on the line for the success of their videos.


[1.39:58 - 1.40:07]Some popular videos may not have traditional production quality but are still successful.


[1.42:05 - 1.42:17]Good content is king and it's important to make content you are proud of.


[1.42:05 - 1.42:17]There is a constant search for what is considered good content.


[1.42:23 - 1.42:33]Bad content is when someone chases trends for the sake of it, uses clickbait, and has poor production quality.


[1.42:57 - 1.43:02]Channels that chase trends often have a short shelf life and inconsistent views.


[1.43:42 - 1.43:49]A healthy number of views for a worst performing video is a sign of a strong and dedicated fanbase.


[1.43:56 - 1.44:19]YouTubers may start doing questionable things when they become desperate for views.


[1.37:00 - 1.44:19]Casey Neistat is an example of someone who discovered the "limitless drug" in real life and was able to set high standards for himself, but this also resulted in him working tirelessly. The speaker admires his dedication but also feels exhausted thinking about it. They discuss the transition from YouTube videos being a hobby to a serious job, and the constant search for what is considered good content. They also mention the negative effects of chasing trends and not prioritizing quality content.


[1.44:19 - 1.44:31]Clickbait and prank channels on YouTube have become increasingly egregious in their content


[1.45:31 - 1.45:39]Some channels would go to extreme lengths, such as inciting violence or using actors, to gain views


[1.45:31 - 1.45:39]Family channels also resorted to questionable tactics, such as exploiting their children for views


[1.45:39 - 1.45:47]Chasing trends on YouTube can lead to a toxic environment and questionable content


[1.48:01 - 1.48:07]Drama channels can be done right, by simply stating the facts, but can also be toxic if the presenter tries to sway opinions


[1.50:46 - 1.51:03]The anime community has relatively less drama compared to other communities, but it can be influenced by the actions of its biggest creators


[1.44:19 - 1.52:01]Honey is a browser extension that automatically applies promo codes when shopping online, making it a convenient tool for saving money.


[1.52:02 - 1.52:09]Person is shopping on favorite site and uses Honey extension to find coupons


[1.52:21 - 1.52:28]Person saves money on pizza in Japan thanks to Honey


[1.54:01 - 1.54:08]Person films a video where they work at a gay bar in Japan and have a great time


[1.55:25 - 1.55:40]Person meets anime fans in Japan and it's like being transported back in time


[1.58:35 - 1.58:50]Hardcore otaku's in Japan are still underground and scared to come out


[1.58:50 - 1.58:59]Person talks about the underground otaku culture in Japan


[1.59:08 - 1.59:23]Train otaku's, military otaku's, and other types of otaku's exist in Japan


[1.59:23 - 1.59:31]Person sees an "American otaku" in Japan wearing a bald eagle outfit


[1.52:02 - 1.59:31]Person talks about using Honey to save money, films a video at a gay bar in Japan, and discusses the underground otaku culture. They also mention meeting anime fans in Japan and seeing an "American otaku" in Japan. The otaku culture in Japan includes various types, such as train and military otaku's.


[1.59:31 - 1.59:39]American man wearing a cowboy hat and eagle shirt in Japan


[1.59:40 - 1.59:48]American man is also wearing denim jeans and cowboy boots


[2.00:12 - 2.00:21]Narrator is intrigued and wants to know more about the man


[2.00:27 - 2.00:39]Train enthusiasts in Japan are seen as more interesting and mysterious


[2.00:57 - 2.01:02]Documentaries are often made about these enthusiasts in Japan


[2.00:57 - 2.01:02]Otaku culture in Japan is seen as more acceptable than in other countries


[2.01:36 - 2.01:50]Otaku culture in Japan can be looked down upon


[2.03:48 - 2.04:04]Some people become obsessed with certain hobbies or interests


[2.04:39 - 2.05:01]Idol fans often support their idols because they have given them something


[2.05:12 - 2.05:17]The idol industry in Japan can be predatory and uncomfortable


[2.05:31 - 2.05:44]There are documentaries and videos about 13-year-old idols in Japan


[2.05:31 - 2.05:44]Some men also spend thousands of dollars on 20-year-old idols


[2.06:19 - 2.06:24]The narrator does not judge but finds it fascinating


[2.06:57 - 2.07:06]Some men spend thousands of dollars on these child idols


[2.06:57 - 2.07:06]It is not a good look and can be uncomfortable to watch


[1.59:31 - 2.07:06]A narrator in Japan observes an American man wearing a cowboy hat and eagle shirt, and becomes intrigued by his unconventional appearance. They discuss the cultural differences between train enthusiasts in Japan and other countries, as well as the controversial topic of idol culture and the uncomfortable reality of child idols in Japan. The narrator reflects on how some people become obsessed with certain hobbies or interests, and the different perspectives and biases that exist in relation to these topics.


[2.11:10 - 2.11:28] Two individuals are having a conversation about Japan and its culture.


[2.12:42 - 2.13:00]They discuss the concept of otaku, and how it is seen as a more normal obsession in Japan.


[2.14:10 - 2.14:19]The conversation shifts to the topic of nonconformity and how it is seen as cool and badass in Japan.


[2.14:10 - 2.14:19]They mention a man who walked through a busy street in Shinjuku despite the red light, and how it was seen as badass and nonconformist.


[2.14:24 - 2.14:45]They note that Japan is a gold mine for interesting and niche content, due to its society's pressure to conform.


[2.14:45 - 2.14:51]They discuss how Japan has a low crime rate but when a crime does occur, it is often extreme and shocking.


[2.14:51 - 2.14:57]They also mention strange addictions and obsessions, and how they are fascinated by the process of becoming addicted to something.


[2.07:06 - 2.15:06]The conversation revolves around Japan's unique culture and societal pressures, and how they contribute to the development of niche interests and nonconformity. They also touch on Japan's low crime rate and the extreme nature of crimes when they do occur.


[2.15:06 - 2.15:26]Two friends discuss a conversation where one wanted to stab happy women


[2.15:50 - 2.16:00]They talk about the pressure to succeed in exams in Japan


[2.17:09 - 2.17:16]They discuss the working culture in Japan and the discovery of teleworking


[2.18:19 - 2.18:27]They compare Japanese Zoom calls to American court proceedings


[2.20:03 - 2.20:14]They wrap up the episode and mention their Patreon and social media


[2.20:03 - 2.20:14]The hosts clarify that they don't hate their fans and encourage support on Patreon


[2.15:06 - 2.20:48]They end with a message to their Jojo fan followers.