
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IDOLS | Trash Taste #155


[00:00 - 00:08] Trash Taste Europe Tour 2023 announced


[00:08 - 00:16]Tickets on sale


[00:16 - 00:30]Excitement for anime expo and cosplayers


[01:01 - 01:10]Discussion of streaming Ring Fit and burning calories


[05:22 - 05:30]Difficulty finding pools and exercising in Japan


[06:37 - 06:49]Discussion of streaming and feeling like work is being tricked


[07:28 - 07:38]Struggling to manage streaming and other work


[00:00 - 07:38]Discussion of streaming and its impact on work and society.


[07:46 - 07:53]Person talking about streaming and time zones


[08:07 - 08:13]Wants to stream in the morning but it's difficult because of time zones


[08:07 - 08:13]Dislikes streaming at night because it interferes with going to the gym


[08:13 - 08:21]Decides to stream "ring fit" instead of going to the gym


[08:22 - 08:34]Jokingly talks about contributing to society by informing people about burning calories with ring fit


[09:39 - 09:45]Discusses the difficulties of streaming and the lack of other life experiences


[10:41 - 10:51]Talks about attending a Thai festival in Tokyo and being surprised by the multilingual conversations


[14:20 - 14:49]Describes the long line for garbage disposal at the festival and the dedication to not litter in Japanese culture


[07:38 - 15:25]The person talks about streaming and time zones, their dislike for streaming at night, and their decision to stream "ring fit" instead of going to the gym. They also discuss the difficulties of streaming and their lack of other life experiences. They then summarize their experience attending a Thai festival in Tokyo and being surprised by the multilingual conversations and the dedication to not litter in Japanese culture.


[15:26 - 15:38]The speaker is talking about their experience at a festival in Japan where alcohol was being sold and people were getting drunk in public.


[15:45 - 16:03]They mention being surprised by the presence of Thai idol groups at the festival.


[15:45 - 16:03]They explain that there is a main stage where different concerts and performances take place and they decided to watch some Thai musicians perform.


[16:54 - 17:12]They mention one group called BK T 48 and are shocked that it is a real thing.


[16:54 - 17:12]They talk about how there are also sister groups like BNK 48 and JK T 48.


[18:22 - 18:57]They mention the dichotomy between hardcore fans and casual viewers at the festival.


[19:47 - 20:12]The speaker expresses their confusion and lack of knowledge about idol groups that have so many members, like AKB 48 with 48 members.


[20:46 - 21:02]The speaker talks about their perspective on the difference between Kpop groups and idol groups in terms of marketing and fan interactions.


[21:50 - 22:20]They mention the male idol culture in Japan and an underground scene of all-female groups.


[22:27 - 22:33]The speaker brings up a documentary about fans of underground idol groups, including a 12-year-old girl who did live streams and had a thousand viewers.


[23:32 - 23:40]They mention a website where viewers can pay to have conversations with idols live, which the speaker finds creepy.


[15:26 - 23:52]The speaker shares their experience at a festival in Japan where they were surprised by the presence of Thai idol groups and express their confusion about the large number of members in some idol groups. They also discuss the differences between Kpop groups and idol groups, as well as the creepy aspects of the underground idol scene in Japan.


[23:57 - 24:05]Conversation about the controversial topic of children being involved in content creation and the potential for exploitation by parents and older men


[25:42 - 25:49]Discussion about the psychology behind idol culture and the loneliness that may drive some individuals to participate or consume it


[30:32 - 30:49]Comparison between eastern and western cultures in terms of attitudes towards mental health and the idol industry, with a focus on asian cultures


[30:32 - 30:49]Mention of similar products being sold in both eastern and western cultures, such as idols and only fans streamers, but with a different approach and potential audience response


[31:18 - 31:24]Difference in how people want to feel when consuming this type of content, with western audiences wanting to feel like friends rather than fans


[31:24 - 31:32]Importance of natural self-discovery in consuming content rather than feeling like it is being sold to them


[23:52 - 31:51]Overall discussion of the controversial and complex nature of idol culture and the psychology behind it, particularly in eastern cultures, and the potential for exploitation and loneliness.


[31:52 - 32:01]Japanese people are more likely to support and invest in idols and boy bands if they continue to buy their albums and attend their concerts.


[32:26 - 32:35]Kpop has become dominant in the global music industry, making it difficult for Western boy bands and girl groups to compete.


[32:35 - 32:48]In the West, the popularity of boy bands and girl groups has declined, with the last popular ones being Backstreet Boys and NSYNC.


[33:06 - 33:24]Contracts for idols and boy bands in Japan heavily favor the producers and agencies, while contracts in the West are more balanced in favor of the talent.


[35:05 - 35:41]The rise of the internet has given more power to independent artists, allowing them to gain popularity without relying on big agencies.


[37:14 - 37:25]Vtubers have been successful in getting fans invested in the brand rather than just the individual talent.


[37:25 - 37:33]The agency has used its brand power to maintain popularity, even when new groups are formed and old ones disband.


[37:40 - 37:49]The Johnny's Group, the biggest idle agency in Japan, has been successful in using their brand name to maintain popularity and success even when individual talents leave.


[38:18 - 38:35]The founder of the Johnny's Group, Johnny Something, was recently accused of sexual harassment, which had been known for years but not publicly addressed due to the agency's power over the media.


[38:50 - 39:03]Johnny's Group has a strong presence in Japanese media, with many members hosting or appearing on TV shows.


[31:52 - 39:36]In summary, Japanese idol agencies hold a lot of power over their talents and use their brand names to maintain popularity and success. The rise of the internet has given more power to independent artists, but agencies like the Johnny's Group still hold a strong presence in Japanese media and the global music industry.


[39:36 - 39:42] The speaker and others discuss a powerful person who was able to get away with terrible actions for decades.


[39:42 - 40:04]The speaker mentions that this person's actions were publicly known before being reported.


[39:42 - 40:04]The speaker discusses how negative news is often not reported in Japan due to the influence of the government and entertainment industry.


[40:11 - 40:17]The speaker compares this situation to a similar one in the UK involving Jimmy Savile.


[40:44 - 40:54]The group acknowledges that everyone is aware of the issues within the industry.


[40:55 - 41:00]The discussion turns to the idol industry and how companies often treat their idols poorly.


[41:52 - 42:09]They mention the idea of creating AI idols to avoid potential abuse.


[41:52 - 42:09]The speaker brings up a recent influencer who created an AI version of themselves.


[42:43 - 43:09]They discuss the potential moral implications of selling your own image through an AI.


[42:43 - 43:09]The group talks about how AI-generated content is becoming increasingly realistic and hard to distinguish from real content.


[47:04 - 47:25]The speaker shares their personal experience of being in Japan during the height of the idol industry and how it was unavoidable.


[47:04 - 47:25]They mention tricking themselves into liking some songs in order to fit in with the trend.


[39:36 - 47:32]The last bullet point summarizes the conversation as a whole, discussing the power and influence of AI in the entertainment industry.


[47:32 - 47:37]The speaker discusses how hearing a song repeatedly can trick the brain into liking it.


[47:43 - 47:58]They mention Japan's tendency to play popular songs in many different places.


[48:11 - 48:18]The speaker talks about their experience with idol concerts and their dislike of them.


[49:00 - 49:07]They recall a specific instance of being exposed to an idol song and realizing its popularity.


[49:09 - 49:22]The speaker discusses the power of subliminal messaging and how it can influence their taste in music.


[50:14 - 50:21]They mention being disappointed in themselves for liking certain songs.


[50:28 - 50:54]The topic shifts to the speaker's experience at an anime-themed cafe with a friend.


[50:54 - 51:07]They mention the demographic of the fans at the cafe and their expectations.


[55:12 - 55:18]They mention other themed cafes they have been to and the quality of the food.


[55:18 - 55:26]The speaker describes the food at the cafe and their thoughts on it.


[55:18 - 55:26]The speaker expresses their desire to find a themed cafe with good food.


[47:32 - 55:34]Overall, the speaker discusses their experiences with music and themed cafes in Japan. Overall, the speaker discusses their experiences with music and themed cafes in Japan, including their thoughts on subliminal messaging, their dislike of idol concerts, and their desire for a themed cafe with good food.


[56:01 - 56:10] The speaker discusses their dislike for the character Kirby, but how it has helped them cope with negative emotions in the past.


[1.00:53 - 1.01:14]The speaker then talks about their loyalty to Nintendo as a whole, despite not playing any Sony games.


[1.00:53 - 1.01:14]They discuss how Nintendo fans are often categorized as a separate group from other gaming fans and the loyalty they have to the company.


[1.00:53 - 1.01:14]The speaker mentions that their loyalty to Nintendo is based on the fact that they grew up playing Nintendo games and still do.


[1.01:51 - 1.02:04]The loyalty to Nintendo games may only continue as long as the company continues to produce good games.


[1.02:04 - 1.02:16]They mention that Kirby games were not enjoyable for them and they don't understand why people are so loyal to the franchise.


[1.02:16 - 1.02:31]The speaker then brings up the Pokemon franchise and how their loyalty to it is not as strong as their loyalty to Mario and Zelda.


[1.02:16 - 1.02:31]They mention that they have played every Pokemon game, even though some have been disappointing.


[1.02:55 - 1.03:05]The speaker concludes by stating that despite any disappointments, they will continue to play Pokemon games out of curiosity and nostalgia.


[55:34 - 1.03:23]Despite any criticisms, the speaker has a deep connection and loyalty to the Nintendo brand and its games.


[1.03:33 - 1.03:45] Trash Taste podcast discusses newest game and its flaws


[1.03:45 - 1.03:53]Despite flaws, podcast hosts still enjoy playing the game


[1.04:04 - 1.04:14]One host doesn't want to support rushed games, but still plays it


[1.04:37 - 1.04:44]Nintendo games are also popular due to the number of Switch consoles sold


[1.05:47 - 1.05:54]Nintendo games are easier to buy and customize on PC through Steam


[1.08:59 - 1.09:10]One host prefers sci-fi over dark fantasy, but plans to play Elden Ring


[1.10:13 - 1.10:21]Joey will not be attending AX due to family holiday


[1.10:27 - 1.10:37]Trash Taste will have a booth at AX this year


[1.10:27 - 1.10:37]The process of getting a booth at AX was interesting


[1.10:27 - 1.10:37]Trash Taste booth will be at the entertainment hall


[1.10:27 - 1.10:37]Trash Taste booth will be at the entertainment hall


[1.03:23 - 1.10:46]Trash Taste podcast discusses newest game, hosts still enjoy playing it despite flaws. One host doesn't want to support rushed games, but still plays it. Nintendo games are easier to buy and customize on PC through Steam and are popular due to the number of Switch consoles sold. One host prefers sci-fi over dark fantasy, but plans to play Elden Ring. Additionally, Trash Taste will have a booth at AX this year in the entertainment hall, but Joey will not be attending due to a family holiday. The process of getting a booth at AX was interesting.


[1.10:52 - 1.10:58] A booth will be set up at an upcoming event, competing against other large companies


[1.11:27 - 1.12:04]The booth will have a giant gacha machine and exclusive AX merch, as well as other activities and prizes


[1.11:27 - 1.12:04]The group is unsure of future plans for booths, but this one is a large and expensive endeavor


[1.15:37 - 1.16:13]A charity auction will also be held in LA, with various items and services donated by YouTubers


[1.17:09 - 1.17:14]The auction will have a real crowd and tickets will be expensive, with proceeds going to charity


[1.17:56 - 1.18:07]The auction will be hosted by one of the group members and will be held online for all time zones


[1.10:46 - 1.18:07]A booth and charity auction will be held at an upcoming event in LA, with various activities, exclusive merch, and expensive items up for auction, all for charity.


[1.18:07 - 1.18:13]Discussion about an upcoming event where people will bid on items online


[1.18:13 - 1.18:22]Excitement for the event and its unique approach


[1.18:27 - 1.18:34]The event was organized by the speaker after expressing interest in doing something new


[1.18:44 - 1.18:50]The speaker has also donated items for the event


[1.18:51 - 1.18:58]The event will be well-produced and will have both physical and virtual attendees


[1.19:45 - 1.19:57]The speaker reached out to many people for items and is happy with the response


[1.21:15 - 1.21:25]There will also be a panel at a convention with Iron Mouse


[1.21:41 - 1.21:47]The speaker and others will be attending Anime Expo


[1.21:47 - 1.22:03]The speaker predicts there will be many Honkai cosplays at the convention


[1.23:24 - 1.23:31]Discussion about popular cosplays seen at previous conventions


[1.23:57 - 1.24:04]A pattern of popular cosplays being those that are easy or normal attire


[1.18:07 - 1.25:19]The speaker discusses an upcoming event where people will bid on items online. They express excitement for the unique event and discuss how it came about. They also mention a panel they will be on at a convention and predict there will be many Honkai cosplays at the event. They then discuss popular cosplays seen at previous conventions and note a pattern of easy or normal attire cosplays being popular. They express excitement for the upcoming convention and potential cosplays that will be seen.


[1.28:46 - 1.28:57]Chainsville Man and Jujitsu Kyson were both popular anime shows, with Jujitsu Kyson being more successful commercially.


[1.28:57 - 1.29:14]Chainsville Man was marketed towards a teenage audience and had more sexual and violent content, while Jujitsu Kyson was more easily marketable to a wider audience.


[1.29:14 - 1.29:22]The hype for Chainsville Man was more intense in the Western sphere compared to Japan.


[1.29:39 - 1.29:52]Chainsville Man only had 12 episodes, which may have hurt its success compared to longer-running battle shonen anime like Demon Slayer.


[1.29:52 - 1.29:58]Demon Slayer's success was largely attributed to one banger moment in episode 18, which caused a surge in viewership.


[1.30:20 - 1.30:27]Jujitsu Kyson also had 24 episodes, which allowed for a better investment and development of the story.


[1.31:28 - 1.31:35]Jujitsu Kyson had a constant stream of new content, including a movie, which helped to maintain its hype.


[1.31:28 - 1.31:35]Chainsville Man and Jujitsu Kyson have not yet reached their full potential and there is anticipation for future seasons with more episodes.


[1.31:57 - 1.32:07]12 episodes may not be enough to reach a satisfying climax in a shonen anime.


[1.32:30 - 1.32:40]Many 12 episode anime struggle to maintain hype and interest compared to longer-running series.


[1.25:19 - 1.32:40]In conclusion, the success of Chainsville Man and Jujitsu Kyson may have been affected by the length of their seasons, with longer seasons allowing for better storytelling and investment from viewers.


[1.32:40 - 1.32:46] Excitement for upcoming anime with multiple seasons


[1.36:02 - 1.36:12]Comparison to One Piece animation and desire for more episodes


[1.37:18 - 1.37:29]Appreciation for longer ongoing stories


[1.37:30 - 1.37:38]Gratitude for time given to let story breathe in Vinland Saga


[1.37:30 - 1.37:38]Concerns about potential boredom in the story


[1.38:32 - 1.38:39]Personal rule of waiting for 5-6 episodes before watching weekly


[1.38:45 - 1.38:51]Weekly model for releasing episodes allows for reflection and investment in the story


[1.39:32 - 1.39:39]Difficulty in watching weekly for Shounen anime due to long fights and waiting for the hype moments


[1.40:14 - 1.40:19]Ability to watch Bocchi the Rock weekly due to less happening in each episode


[1.32:40 - 1.40:19]Discussion of excitement for upcoming anime with multiple seasons and appreciation for longer ongoing stories, comparison to One Piece animation, and gratitude for time given in Vinland Saga. Also mentions concerns about potential boredom and personal rule for waiting for 5-6 episodes before watching weekly. Difficulty in watching weekly for Shounen anime due to long fights and waiting for the hype moments, but ability to watch Bocchi the Rock weekly due to less happening in each episode.


[1.40:25 - 1.40:41] Bochi is similar to the speaker and they like the Netflix model but would prefer weekly releases


[1.46:43 - 1.46:54]They speculate about its demographic and its potential for making money


[1.46:54 - 1.47:17]They discuss the hype surrounding anime and how it may affect profits and merchandise sales


[1.46:54 - 1.47:17]They compare it to Evangelion and its success in Japan during the 90s


[1.46:54 - 1.47:17]They suggest that Evangelion's success was a combination of timing, influence, and word-of-mouth


[1.47:24 - 1.48:04]They discuss the appeal of Evangelion and its cultural impact


[1.47:24 - 1.48:04]They mention the themes and demographics that resonated with the show's audience


[1.48:05 - 1.48:43]They mention Chainsaw Man as a show that appeals to hardcore anime and manga fans


[1.48:05 - 1.48:43]They argue that Bochi fans and Evangelion fans have more in common than Bochi fans and Chainsaw Man fans


[1.48:05 - 1.48:43]The speaker believes that Chainsaw Man has not yet found its die-hard audience in the same way that Evangelion has


[1.40:19 - 1.48:43]The speaker and Bochi discuss the appeal and potential for profit of anime, specifically Chainsaw Man and Evangelion. They compare the two shows in terms of demographics and cultural impact, and speculate about their success. The speaker believes that Chainsaw Man has not yet found its dedicated audience, while Evangelion benefited from a combination of timing and word-of-mouth.


[1.49:18 - 1.49:42] The speakers discuss the popularity and marketability of the anime Chainsaw Man, comparing it to other edgy anime shows like Gantz and Attack on Titan.


[1.49:42 - 1.49:56]They mention that edginess used to be more popular in the 90s and OVAs, but now it is not as in-demand.


[1.51:52 - 1.51:59]They mention their dislike for the constant changing of intros in anime and express their desire for more episodes instead.


[1.52:24 - 1.52:30]They also discuss the success of My Hero Academia and the upcoming generation's equivalent of a popular "shit show".


[1.52:24 - 1.52:30]They bring up Attack on Titan's success and its unique and iconic imagery.


[1.54:05 - 1.54:10]They express their hope for Chainsaw Man's success and mention the manga's second half being "juicy".


[1.54:05 - 1.54:10]They conclude by discussing the potential for Chainsaw Man's success in the future and their excitement for its upcoming season.


[1.48:43 - 1.54:55]The speakers discuss the popularity and potential success of the anime Chainsaw Man, comparing it to other edgy shows like Gantz and Attack on Titan, and express their hope for its future.